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From: Roy Hale <roy.hale@virgin.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 02:53:23 +0100
Fwd Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:38:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Max Burns Hoax Exposed


>From: Bluehare Dark Peak <bluehare24@hotmail.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Max Burns Hoax Exposed
>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:29:45 GMT
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>[Non-Subscriber? Post and 'as is' --ebk]

>ATTENTION UFOLOGISTS
>A MESSAGE FROM GENIUS LOKI FOLLOWS

>We are a group of people, active in UFO hoaxing since
>the mid 80s, and going under the collective name of Genius Loki.
>Some reading this document may think hoaxing is unnacceptible
>a waste of time which could be put to better use
>investigating “UFOs.” Show us a UFO and we will happily
>investigate it!

>We believe that if ufologists are unable to
>determine that a case is hoaxed or not then they should stick
>to watching sci-fi.. Stupidity within the subject of UFOlogy
>has reached new peaks of intensity during the last two years.
>The latest example is how the so-called Sheffield Incident/Howden
>Moors UFO Crash has been promoted by certain
>individuals.

>This is not the place to go into the specifics of the case.
>Many will be familiar with it already and it has
>been widely featured on UFO Updates and UFO
>Magazine. Several websites have also featured the case
>in depth. From our point of view it had been
>satisfactorily solved.

>But there are those who will not see reason
>and instead see saucers and conspiracy everywhere. A
>ufologist, Max Burns, had become
>unhealthily obsessed with the Sheffield Incident. He
>theorised that a UFO had been present that night and was
>responsible for shooting down a Tornado jet, flown by
>an Italian NATO crew from RAF Coningsby. Despite
>having no evidence for these allegations Burns further
>theorised that the crash had been covered up by the
>Government who had also initiated a "dirty tricks
>campaign" against Burns and others. To add idiocy to
>stupidity Burns also alleged that some British UFOlogists
>were undercover secret agents, acting as part of the cover-up.

>As time went on it became clear that Burns was prepared to
>manipulate facts to promote his fanciful version of
>the Sheffield Incident. Evidence of this is
>abundant and can be found most recently on UFOUpdates
>where Dr Clark analysed Burns' recent BUFORA lecture.




Dear Friends,

I have read the above with interest and found it to be the most
bizarre set-up I have read in ages, but I knew this was on the
cards. These people who were at the BUFORA lecture looked pretty
innocent to me' they were probably revelling in their own self
delight on their purposeful entrapment of Max. (Thank god I took
pictures at the lecture)

When Max first received this e-mail he did infact circulate this
to all on his mailing list and looked for reaction. I told him
it stank and was maybe a set-up by those who wish to try and
publicly humiliate him. (Boy was I right)

Call this research do you? I think this is now the lowest form
of ufology we can get. We are now scraping the barrel and how
sad I am when writing this.

How long must this BS carry on? You talk of Max and him hoaxing
this whole incident, I think you have to read your own e-mail,
wasn't it yourselves who made contact with Max regarding a crash
site? Wasn't it yourselves who told Max that you were part of a
military team who had knowledge of this incident? Wasn't it
yourselves who led Max to believe the BS you were writing?

I think that you instigated the whole BS for some weird reason
and for who's benefit? You say for the betterment of UK Ufology?
BS that is a total cop-out and you know it, what makes my
stomach churn about people like yourselves is the fact, that
this just isn't about the Sheffield Incident, but your petty
hang up of those who have a believe in the ETH.

Who appointed you the self guardians of ufolgy? Who gave you
this high & mighty platform? Who the hell are you to judge all
UK ufologists who happen to believe in the ETH as mad hat
believers and crackpots? When will the likes of yourselves climb
down from this high horse you have been sat on for some time!

Do you have day time jobs? Who funds this crap?

Does anyone blame Max for answering your poxy e-mails? If you
had spent 27 months on a case and then you received such info,
would you ignore it? Oh what a sad day this is' this really is
the death of uk ufology as we know it, I can understand why
people are leaving the field of research with BS like this being
churned out.

The jam: Going underground:

Roy..