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From: Neil Morris <Neil@adm1.ph.man.ac.uk>
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 15:37:14 +0100
Fwd Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:55:07 -0400
Subject: Re: RIPT & MJ-12
>From: Kevin Randle <KRandle993@aol.com>
>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:11:14 EDT
>Subject: Re: RIPT & MJ-12
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>From: Asgeir W. Skavhaug <asge-s@online.no>
>>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: RIPT & MJ-12
>>Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 19:51:41 +0200
>>>From: James Easton <pulsar@compuserve.com>
>>>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:22:44 -0500
>>>Fwd Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:37:37 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: RPIT Roswell Revisitation: The Next Step?
>>>Regarding...
>>>>From: James Bond Johnson <JBONJO@aol.com>
>>>>Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1998 17:03:46 EST
>>>>Subject: RPIT Roswell Revisitation: The Next Step?
>>>James wrote:
>>>>Further, RPIT has been able to read in part the official message held
>>>>in the hand of General Ramey in the four shots taken of him which
>>>>make reference to "victims of the crashed DISK being transported to
>>>>Fort Worth" from "Site Two" near Magdalena, N. Mexico, and further
>>>>appears to suggest or order the general to issue an announcement as
>>>>to a "weather balloon" cover-up.
>I might caution that there is no consensus as to what the ones
>on that first line really are. The word victims has been
>interpreted in various ways including a number who have
>suggested the word is actually "remains. There is nothing close
>to approaching consensus to suggest that there is anything about
>"Site Two" near "Magdalena, N. Mexico." Others have suggested
>the city name is Roswell rather than Magdalena.
Hi All,
As a member of RPIT I suppose I'd better pass comment...
Firstly regarding the "take's" of the wording of the message,
many of the "versions" of the wording floating about on the
Internet seem to be from very early "looks", done in many cases
with "glass and eye" on the 16x20 prints, I think it became
apparant this method could only go so far and produced at times
wide variations in interpretation. I would suggest these "takes"
were early impressions rather than results cast in stone. Not
having access to the 16x20 prints I have concentrated more on
using scanned sections of my 11x14 prints, the images of the
message on my website are samples of some of the images I have
used.
>>>The 'Ramey telegram' may be indecipherable, however, as the
>>>printing consists of fixed spacing, this offers important
>clues >>to the probabilities.
<snip>
>If this is a teletype document, then there would be no
>letterhead on it. Teletype paper came in long rolls. I have seen
>the seal interpreted as an old style telephone or the liberty
>bell or just a smudge.
Two important points here both indicating the message was
"typed" on sheet stationery. Yes most of the text is laid out in
a fixed grid fashion, so much so that in the latest image I have
placed on my Ramey Signal section of my website, once I had
found a correct font point size I was able to type complete
lines of text on top of the message image and keep in sync with
the underlying image text.
The fact that the text is in a fixed grid also precludes using
some of the interpretations of the words because in many cases
they just don't fit the allowed number of letter spaces
available, a case in point... Magdalena is 9 letters, the space
allowed at the point in the message only has space for 8. Using
a simple piece of squared paper to act as the grid and laying
out the message many of these problems become clear.
The paper is also clearly not a teletype message, as Kevin
points out teletype machines used (and still do) continuous roll
paper which is just torn away as the message is complete, this
makes a large "letter heading" on the paper impossible if it
were teletype output. Also if you check the message itself, on
line 2 after the (my take) word CONVAY (yes I know, bad
spelling) there are variations in the line levels of the
following words. As the word CONVAY looks distinctly like it has
been corrected I suggest that as this correction was made the
sheet was wound up out of the typewriter, the correction made
and the paper then wound back, after the next word was typed the
clerk noticed the line level error and made a correction in
level and possible a further correction after the next word too.
This line feed action would be impossible to carry out on a
teletype machine but a common occurance in a typewriter.
I do disagree with the "old style phone" in the top left corner.
I think I have demonstrated on my website that there is a good
case for this item being a circular official seal monogram of
some type similar to many DOD/Military type in use at the time,
this one using as part of the seal wording "COMBAT" together
with a distinctive "arrowhead" device.
<snip>
>>Further, some months ago I watched a TV program on the
>>Discovery channel, showing the interpretation work on the Dead
>>Sea Scrolls. They were using a certain computer program to
>>enhance the letters' readability on the scanned book pages, or
>>the photos of these. That is, they were using a CAD program to
>>enlarge the letters, and then fill in the letters and their
>>fuzzy outlines with black. I don't know whether the RPIT
>>members have been using this method in their work, but in any
>>case, the results obtained from using this method will also
>>depend on the use of subjective judgements in some way or
>>other.
>Here is the real important part of this posting. There are
>subjective judgments being made. We are interpreting what we see
>with a best guess regardless of the sophistication of the
>equipment. We are interpreting the message in the context of the
>assumption that it relates to the Roswell case. We have no
>evidence that this is the case. All we KNOW is that Ramey, on
>July 8, was holding this document in his hand.
And the document seems to mention:
"4" "VICTIMS" "WRECK" "CONVAY" "CRASHES" "MIDDAY" "STORY ADV"
and might I also offer "EVEN PUT THEORY WEATATN BALLOONS"
On the afternoon of July 8th 1947 at 8th Air Force Headquarters,
and responsible for the command of RAAF, what might this be
refering to?.
As for MJ-12... it's not clear just what the figure "4" in close
association with the word "VICTIMS" on line 2 of the message
refers to, time? or quantity-number?.
But I find it coincidental that in the MJ-12 IP Unit Summary,
Intelligence Assessment document, paragraph 9 refers to 4
technicians, 3 dead, 1 status unknown, alledgedly caused by some
form of contamination at one of the recovery sites.
? 4 victims of contamination? An interesting coincidence.
>KRandle, Ph.D.
>www.randlereport.com
>
Well done on the Ph D.
Best Regards
Neil.
New image and updated "take" is at :
http://adm2.ph.man.ac.uk/ftw-pics/new-1/rmysignl.htm
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