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From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:46:25 EDT
Fwd Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 03:29:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Crisis..... What Crisis?


>From: Jerry Anderson <jerry@uforesearch.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Crisis..... What Crisis?
>Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 19:29:13 +0100

Dear List, and you others ... you know who you are!  Please
allow me to prove a point.  Please?  Thank you.  Just sample the
following and when you come to the end, I will explain.  I am
_not_ marking this post with a scarlet "S" and I am aksing that
EBK not post a "Caution, Humor" caveat just this one time. I
promise never to aks this again... (as he crosses the only two
fingers he has, having lost the last two in a game of tiddly
winks)...  Here we go.

>Dear List,

>My view at present, is that Ufology is in turmoil....and judging
>from some of the recent postings to this list, I am convinced
>that this is the case.

Turmoil ... agitation, confusion, dither, flap, lather, pother,
stew, tumult, turbulence ... according to that Miriam broad.  We
concur.

>No doubt there will be responses from some of you refuting the
>claim, that is your opinion and your right. For now, please
>hear me out.

Oh no, Mo... UFO research _is_ in such a state.

>In an 'ideal' world, we would all get along fine and agree with
>anything and everything. However ideal that sounds, one can't
>help but realise that it would be extremely boring and mundane!
>I encourage constructive criticism and support lively and
>stimulating debate on all matters. what I certainly do NOT
>condone is character assassination, back stabbing, and
>condescending behaviour.....the like of which we have been
>witness to in the past, and just recently.

Me needer, Mo.  Say Jerry, I hope you don't mind my appellation,
"Mo." It's just that it sort of rhymed with "Oh no!"

>There are many, many, investigators in the UFO field that are
>conducting excellent research, despite the usual lack of funds,
>resources, and everything else that is part and parcel of
>Ufology, including making mistakes....which we are ALL guilty of
>to one degree or another!

Sorry Jerry.  I do not agree here.  We do not all make mistakes.
For example, in the area of character assassination, some people
out there have never made a mistake from my perspective.  In
fact, quite the opposite.  Every time someone attempted to
assassinate my character, no matter which voice in my head was
speaking to me at the time, the assassin was dead on right, each
occasion.  Especially, uh, well, doesn't matter who it was....

>Whatever our social or educational
>background, we all have a common interest for one reason or
>another. That in itself connects us.

Please forgive me for contradicting yous again, Mo, but no one
is at all connected with me who does not have at least _ONE_
Ph.D. Which is why I refer to Mr. Errol Bruce Knapp as "DOCTOR
Kanappy!" Whenever I speak with, correspond with or otherwise
communicate with _anyone_ on any subject, if they do not have at
least one Ph.D., I will not carry on the communication.  That is
why I confer an "Honorary" Gesundt Ph.D. on them prior to the
communication.

And this is why I sent Dr. Kanappy a copy of my Curriculum Vitae
framed in 24 carrot gold plate.  He never published it on this
list.  However I cannot blame him.  Such a CV would intimidate
anyone out there.  Which is also why I had to sort of chuckle at
the person who just got a Ph.D.  and announced it on UpDates.  I
mean, for crying out loud, only _ONE_ LOUSY Ph.D.?  Aint nuttin
to brag about.  I got twelve.

>There must be some reason
>why we all find this subject so fascinating. Enthusiasm to find
>the truth is encouraged, but at the same time it can lead us
>astray. Enthusiasm to prove that there is nothing is blinkered,
>and can be cold and calculating, as in the Max Burns episode.

Of course there are. We all want to appear on TV, radio and in
print. That's why most of us who claim to be "experiencers" are
lying through our teeth!  We just want the attention it gives
us.  I know that's my reason.

>I have never met Max, but if I did I would probably feel as
>though I should apologise on behalf of the so-called
>intellectuals that did a dis-service to Ufology by 'setting up'
>a researcher who had no way of checking the credentials of an
>unknown source. What other option did Max have but to follow the
>'lead' up? Any investigator worth his/her salt would have done
>the same, I don't care who they are.

>Hoaxing and researching by the same person/s do _not_ go
>together and only succeed in rendering the perpetrators as
>unreliable and fraudulent. I'm all for trying to find the truth,
>but I do not want to be associated with people of that ilk, nor
>do I wish to have anything to do with so-called researchers
>ridiculing others.

Absolutely wrong again.  Cheeses, Jerry, Mo, whoever you are,
you just don't get it do you!  Hoaxing and researching by the
same person is essential to the hoax.  Each time you get hoaxed
by an ex-spurt, you are not intimidated.  But each time you get
hoaxed by a non believer, a skeptic, you feel ill-used, don't
you?  Now do you get it?

>There are _no_ experts in Ufology, just experts in areas of
>research connected with it. Dear colleagues, let us try and
>exchange information and notes.....not insults.

Here we have a conundrum.  I agree, and I also disagree.  I
agree that there are no experts in ufology.  But there are a
whole bunch of has-been drips (ex-spurts) in ufology and there
always will be.

As for the insults.  If you do not insult someone, you are not
debating correctly.  I can prove it.  Look at any political
campaign in any country, for any office, even dog catcher, and
you will _never_ see or hear of such a campaign without
insulting and demeaning your opponent.  Our entire planet is
ruled by people who have done _exactly_ that.  Are we on the
same frequency yet?

>Jerry Anderson    - UFOMEK     (UK)

Do you remember that at the opening of this post, I said I would
explain why I aksed for your forbearance?  I said that I would
explain?  Remember?

Well, I lied.

Dr. Jaime Gesundt, CSUSADHOFMW,C,P & Deli Meats.