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From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 09:57:57 -0400
Fwd Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:14:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse


>Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 21:48:01 +0100
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse

>>>and remember that these sorts of claims (Satanic and abduction)
>>>can wreck people's lives.

>>Documentation, please, on how abduction claims have wrecked
>>lives.

>>Anecdotes not welcome, since they can easily be countered with
>>situations I've personally observed, in which people pulled
>>themselves together by coming to terms with their reported
>>abduction experiences.

>>Let's have some statistical data. What proportion of abductees
>>have wrecked their lives by thinking they've been abducted?

>Oh, come on, is this serious? Statistical data on wrecked lives?
>No anecdotes (i.e. actual examples of wrecked lives)? I can
>assure you that lives have been wrecked by claims of Satanic
>Ritual Abuse - anecdotes only, sorry, as unfortunately for some
>peculiar reason no-one seems to be collecting percentages of
>"wrecked lives" as opposed to "slightly concerned lives",
>"rather worried lives", or "terribly upset lives". Maybe the
>Office of Population and Statistics could put a question in
>their 2001 Census.

Delightful, John. If, ever in the future, you whisper even a
hint that any UFO believer is unscientific, I trust you'll blush
the deepest, most embarrassed red.

Statistics on wrecked lives? No, statistics on abduction
research. Or at least information about it. For instance: "I've
had the opportunity to observe 20 people who've worked with an
abduction investigator who does regressive hypnosis in stadiums
during football games. After knowing these 20 people for more
than a year, I've watched 14 of them become the worst kind of
football hooligans."

At least something like that, for God's sake. Not just bland
general allegations. Another way to put this, John, is that I'm
asking how large your sample is, when you say "remember that
[abduction] claims can wreck people's lives." How many
abductees, even approximately, do you imagine you know anything
about, and what percentage of them ruined their lives?

If you can't answer a question like that, you're just gossiping.

Greg Sandow