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From: Leanne Martin <leanne_martin@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 19:20:38 PDT
Fwd Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1999 10:16:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse


>From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse
>Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:51:08 -0400

>>Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 18:25:54 +0100
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: John Rimmer <magonia@magonia.demon.co.uk>
>>Subject: Re: Satanic Abuse

>>>At least something like that, for God's sake. Not just bland
>>>general allegations. Another way to put this, John, is that I'm
>>>asking how large your sample is, when you say "remember that
>>>[abduction] claims can wreck people's lives." How many
>>>abductees, even approximately, do you imagine you know anything
>>>about, and what percentage of them ruined their lives?

>>>If you can't answer a question like that, you're just gossiping.

>>>Greg Sandow

>>And this from someone who admitted just a few months ago that
>>abduction researchers don't even have statistics on what
>>proportion of their subjects are Black, White or Hispanic.

>Exactly. I stated this very plainly, without first having to be
>challenged. (Though only concerning Budd Hopkins; I don't know
>about other researchers).

>I think I named it as a problem, but if I didn't, I've done so
>in the past about other missing abduction statistics, such as
>the percentage of abductees who have the allegedly unexplainable
>marks Budd so often talks about.

>Give it up, John. You're not making sense. This isn't a
>discussion about who's less scientific, abduction researchers or
>skeptics. I've always said abduction research has problems. It's
>a discussion about whether you, John Rimmer -- when you say
>abduction claims have ruined lives -- know what you're talking
>about.

>Greg Sandow

Hi all,

Has anybody given thought to the idea that the 'wrecked lives'
and the 'abduction experience' may be just symptoms of some
other condition?

Regards,
Leanne  ];-)