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From: Lloyd Bayliss <lloyd@POWER-AGE.DEMON.CO.UK>
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 14:17:49 +0000
Fwd Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 16:15:36 -0500
Subject: {100} Part 2 - United Kingdom UFO Network

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The United Kingdom UFO Network - a free electronic magazine with
subscribers in over 58 countries.


<mematt> are all the people in the world going mad ( alien abduction )?

<T_Matthew> I hope not otherwise we'd all better take out some extra
insurance. Re; abductions I'm afriad that it is true that many
abductees do have mental problems. This is borne out by my own
experience where so-called "experiencers" are often taking strong
medication.

<Assassin> do you really believe there is ufos

<T_Matthew> I believe that there are objects reported a UFOs and
perhaps that's not the same thing. We need, collectively to think very
hard about something that is "unexplained". Perhaps it's true that
nothing remains unexplained with effective research. I'm not sure.

<jez_ufo> Yeah....ask him if he's gonna buy me a pint on Saturday....
it's his round!!

<T_Matthew> OK!!!

<mematt> tim why are there cattle mutilations ?

<T_Matthew> There aren't any done by aliens that's for sure. Who can
say, there are alot of sickos out there!!

<Assassin> and do you really believe that aliens abduct us

<T_Matthew> Nope!

<zelplatog> Do you feel the British are more inclined to accept the
UFO phenomanon due to their history of beliefs in such things as ghosts
and dragons?

<T_Matthew> No but these are not UFO-related as such. Certainly you're
right to emphasize a link between folklore and the paranormal.

<mukker> Okay. Max Burns, under the name 'Alienhype', has been posting,
or rather, reposting, a lengthy allegation that Tim is basically a
right-wing agent for British intelligence. I know he isn't, but I'd
like to hear Tim's rebuttal. For example, is (or was) he Tim Hepple?
And why does Max Burns seem to be gunning for him?

<T_Matthew> I don't take anything that Maxy baby says seriously. Yes,
I changed my name but then so did Cliff Richard and Elton John....
I'm actually an ardent anti-fascist but this has very little to do with
my UFO investigations. In fact, nothing at all when one comes to think
about it.!!

<psientist> sorry to come back to a previous question, tim - a degree
in what?

<T_Matthew> Degree. On, see what you mean. Music and English. Lancaster
University. Dad has engineering degree and all the members of our
research group expertise in various areas including radar, Digital
Signal Processing, satellite technology and avionics.

<SickBoy> Have you ever publicly countered the claims that you work for
the security/intelligence service(s)?

<T_Matthew> Yes! But I'm not wasting my precious time answering
allegations made by deluded and disturbed individuals who enjoy casuing
trouble for other people.

<mukker> Could you also ask Tim if he COMPLETELY rules out the ETH for
any and all sightings, and what are his thoughts about some of the
stunning UFO reports of hundreds , even thousands of years ago?

<T_Matthew> One should never rule out anything - not even the
possibility that Wigan Athlectic FC will get promoted this year! But
possibility is not the same as actuality.

<RavNmaD> Tim, there was a large disc(some estimated 25 miles in
diameter) recorded by some Japanese astronomers a few years ago. What
do you make of that?

<T_Matthew> Nothing and how did they record this?

<Assassin> ask him this if you don't believe then why are there
thousands of ppl claiming they have been ubducted by aliens

<T_Matthew> There are not thousands of people - just a bunch of
well-paid story tellers and believers telling you this. These
"thousands" emerged via a Roper Poll commissioned for the 1992 MIT
Conference. It's a new religion. If all these things are happening then
why does nobody ever see, photograph or film these abductions and why
do they tend to emerge only through hypnosis - a technique knows and
proved to implant false memorries..?

<^Darren> Tim, fair commment about the things Max Burns has posted but
they are re-postings of stuff that's appeared elsewhere and it alleges
your connections with British Intelligence which means that you could
be publishing disinformation. Your comments??

<T_Matthew> Rubbish. Ufologists, well some of them, like to believe
that they're more important than they really are and pretend that
there's some grand conspiracy. MY research is ALL based upon facts and
documents as you will discover in "UFO Revelation" - my new book.

<Max-> Q...Tim is it not true that your real name is Tim Matthews and
that tim hepple was your alias as announced at your wedding?

<T_Matthew> What nonsense! I'm going to keel over with laughter ina
moment. My wife thinks that's very funny and wonders what this has to
do with research into MMUFOs??!!

<zelplatog> What do you think the Fatima sighting by thousands was
early in this century?

<T_Matthew> Very interesting and I have read about it although I
haven't come to a conclusions I'm afaid. Sorry!

<Max-> why were you using an alias if you were not undercover?

<T_Matthew> There is no alias! Dear oh dear - and Ufologists wonder
why they aren't taken more seriously...

<putlog> Q what are your thoughts on the mass sightings and videos in
mexico?

<T_Matthew> Interesting and almost certainly the majority of the better
sightings relate to earthlights. Had you notice that the best sightings
occur around Mount Pope and within the Volcanic Zone? On the new
Hesemann video there is even footage of a UFO filmed DURING an
eruption. Food for thought I reckon!!

<mukker> 'Nuther question: Has Tim heard about the supposed GEOS-8 and
9 satellite photos of '400-mile wide UFOs'? His thoughts?

<T_Matthew> Don't think anything about these - total myth.

<Sean_J> Tim I only have two more questions and they are from Max
Burns, querying your "name". Would you like to call it an evening?

<T_Matthew> If Max wants to make a bigger fool of himself than usual
then that's up to him!!

<Max-> Will you produce your birth certificate to confirm what you
origianl first name was?

<T_Matthew> No, because it is nothing to do with anyone except myself
and entirely unrelated to UFO research. Max, you really are very sad -
as is your alias "Terminator2001" via whihc you make some libelous
claims!

<Sean_J> Tim thank you very much for being our special guest here
tonight, it was very interestin. I hope you will visit here again.
You certainly answered a lot of questions for people.

<T_Matthew> Don't you mean special agent! Sorry about the typos - no
sp, checker I'm afraid. Check out "UFO Revelation" and mail me;
matthews@zetnet.co.uk

<Sean_ k> ppl you can all thank Tim now

<T_Matthew> NO probs..Does anyone want to carry on?

<CR0W> Tim whats the hottest case at the moment whats new that you are
aware of ?

<T_Matthew> At the moment? Gosh. There's lots of new FOIA stuff out at
the moment but it takes agens to trawl through. The Pentagon said in
'95 that it didn't have many docs relating to MMUFOs and now we have
1,100!!

<mukker> Message for all; I met and interviewed Tim a couple of years
ago. A couple of articles (Sunday Mirror, Sightings mag) resulted. My
first ever published article is about the rise of the fundamentalist
religious right in the USA, in the Sept. 94 Company mag. I KNOW Tim
isn't a closet Nazi. Mark McA

<RavNmaD> tim, what made you decide to start investigating?

<T_Matthew> Don't know, accident I suppose and certainly not design.
I've always had an enquring mind.

<mukker> Tim, re. MJ-12... If it's true Truman used a pantograph, that
does remove (or cast serious doubt on) the 'lifted' signature.

<T_Matthew> The signtaure is not where you should look for proof. For
a start there is NO provenance for the first set of MJ-12 docs as
Robert Todd has shown. The one (sinlge) doc supporting MJ-12 was put
there deliberately and not by the US government!

<SickBoy> You spoke a lot of sense tonight Mr Matthews! If you are an
agent, the gov are spending tax payers money on the right folk :-)

<SickBoy> have you corresponded with Steuart C?

<T_Matthew> Only via email. ,S

<SickBoy> do you want to say any more?

<T_Matthew> Carl Sagan was a genius and everyone should read his
"Demon-Haunted World".

<SickBoy> Tim: have you heard about the Russian claims that spinning
superconducting discs 'weigh' less?

<T_Matthew> Yes, I assume you refer to the Tampere University-type
expts...Very interesting although there is a debate on either side,
esp in the USA,

<CR0W> don't forget Tim Good will be here tuesday night 6:30pm GMT

<CR0W> Tim what ufologist do u most respect ?

<T_Matthew> Good question CROW!! Ummmmmmmm...........Perhaps Robert
Todd...

<CR0W> what reason

<T_Matthew> Because he has single-handedly taken on elements of the
Roswell story (ie; Marcel's various claims) and demolished the whole
MJ-12 edifice. MJ-12 is the BS that holds much of the believer camp
together..

<JeroenW> Tim, have you researched the M-12 stuff, ultimately coming
to the conclusion that its all rubbish?

<T_Matthew> Yes, I've got all the documents (well nearly all) and spent
a great deal of time looking into them and asking people all the
difficult questions. To me the thing starts off with a lie; "On 24th
June 1947....Kenneth Arnold saw 9 flying discs". No he didn't. There
are hundreds of mistakes that I noticed when I trawled through the
original batch last week.

<CR0W> Tim regarding max burns and your identity it would be easy to
disproove all the rumour or do you like the secret agent tag?

<T_Matthew> No and no really. Secret agent? On dear! As I noted at
around 11.30 I changed my name in 1992 for personal reasons and all
my friends knew about it. What's the big deal. It's all been discussed
and there is no attempt to mislead anyone here??!!

<psientist> have you any more books you are working on, and intend to
publish, tim

<T_Matthew> yes, I'm working on two but for various reasons I'd prefer
not to say muich beyond the fact that one of them is entirely given
over to flying discs and the other a much more general effort.

<CR0W> Tim what do u know about DI.55

<T_Matthew> Not a lot. They moved the baby up to West Freugh a while
ago although they test radar models of the Future Air Offensive
Systems expt models at 2am....

<T_Matthew> DI55 is part of the Defence Intelligence set-up and their
involvement with the UFO subject is intriguin given their role as
defenders of th realm. I susoect that both they and their partners
within DSTI have been testing and evaluating US prototypes aircrat
mistaken as UFOs for decades...

<mukker> Tim's opinion on Corso?

<T_Matthew> Once a spook always a spook? A book of charming yet unproven
fantasy. Oddly enough Victorian, (Dr. Henry Orhcid) did a good review of
the real Corso.

:log end:


---

Timothy Good

Special guest on UK.UFO.NW - IRC - #UFO channel

The below text is a log of the United Kingdom UFO Network -IRC-
(internet relay chat) meeting held on Tuesday 23rd February 1999.
Timothy Good kindly gave up a few hours of his time to answer
questions from visitors to our dedicated UFO channel.

Names within the < > symbols e.g. <Nesssus> are the nick names of
the person/s asking the questions/s. Where you see <Tim_Good> is
the start of Timothy Good's reply.

Credits:

Our thanks to Sean Jones for setting up the meeting with Tim.
Our thanks to Crow & Raine for moderating the meeting.
Our thanks also to the many, many people who joined the channel.

Short - BIOGRAPHY -

Timothy Good is one of the premier UFO researchers in the world. He
has been a UFO researcher for over twenty years and during that time
has uncovered research which he feels proves the existence of UFOs
and more importantly that the Earth is being visited regularly by
extra terrestrials. His research suggests that there is a worldwide
cover- up of UFO's perpetrated by the intelligence communities of
virtually every government on Earth. Mr Good has created the most
comprehensive research on the UFO phenomena by tracing reports all
the way back to the early 1930's.

Timothy Good is a respected British broadcaster and lecturer. He is
a professional violinist for the London Symphony Orchestra and was
elected to the Royal Society of Musicians in 1980.

Mr. Good has written a large number of books on the UFO phenomena:

The UFO Report
Alien Update
Alien Contact: Top-Secret UFO Files Revealed
Alien Liaison: The Ultimate Secret
Above Top Secret-The Worldwide UFO Cover-Up
Beyond Top Secret
Alien Base (his latest book now available in paper back)

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<Raine> Hello everyone and welcome to #UFO. I would also like to
welcome Timothy Good and thank him for making this meeting possible
by giving up some of his very valuable spare time. Tim can I ask
that when you have finished typing your answers that you please type
TG at the end of the text, so I know you are ready for the next
question, thank you.

<Raine> Tim do you have anything that you would like to add to that,
or tell us of anything new you are investigating/researching/writing
at the moment.

<Tim_Good> Only that I have been a researcher since 1961.TG

<Raine> <CR0W> Tim in your book you mention that you have seen an
alien, can you elaborate on that?

<CR0W> Please /msg Raine with your questions for Mr. Timothy Good.
#ufo2 is open for unmoderated chat.

<Tim_Good> This is complicated. I had two experiences - both in the
USA - in 1963 and 1967, which led me to believe I communicated with
human-type aliens based here. But it's lengthy. However, these
experiences can be read in my latest book ALIEN BASE, which
incidentally will be available in the USA, published by Avon, in
August.TG

<Raine> <stu7> how many copies did his big first book sell ?

<Tim_Good> I honestly don't know how many copies of ABOVE TOP SECRET
have been sold worldwide.TG

<Raine> <Raine> What was it that got you interested in the whole ufo
phenomena?

<Tim_Good> In 1955 an American cousin - Edmund C. Berkeley, who
edited the first magazine on computers, I believe - gave me a copy
of Major Donald Keyhoe's book THE FLYING SAUCERS ARE REAL, because
he knew of my passion for aircraft and spacecraft.TG

<Raine> <forgiette> Have you ever seen a UFO, if so what did it look
like?

<Tim_Good> I have seen several UFOs in my life, though most have
turned out to be conventional objects. The first, in August 1963,
looked like a tetrahedron-shaped craft at great altitude (viewed
thru binox) but according to Spanish research it was a French
radiosonde balloon, capable of maintaining position at great
altitudes. The last object I saw - on 15 Dec 1980 - is still
unexplained. Unfortunately, I saw it for only a few minutes on my way
home to my apartment.TG

<Raine> <grumps> What does Tim Good think of Tim Matthews?

<Tim_Good> I don't. TG

<Raine> <CR0W> Tim what really happend at Bentwaters/Rendelsham
Forest? Do you believe that Jim Peniston really touched a pyramid
type craft?

<Tim_Good> I tend to believe Jim Peniston, yes.TG

<Raine> <Raine> Have you personally ever had any threats to try and
stop you from researching the ufo phenomena?

<Tim_Good> No, I have not - apart from a few from ufolgists! However,
I have been hampered in my research efforts in the United States on
several occasions - hotel rooms broken into and airline tickets and
other research-related info stolen.TG

<Raine> <Carnado> Mr. Good, what inspired you most to enter the field
of ufology?

<Tim_Good> The works of Maj. Donald Keyhoe and Capt.Edward Ruppelt.TG

<Raine> <stu7> TGood: I enjoyed your first (?) book..the thick one :)
That was some years ago... how has the ufo scene changed since you
wrote that ?

<Tim_Good> In ways too numerous to go into here.TG

<Raine> <Carnado> What case do you think is the most overlooked case
in ufology?

<Tim_Good> No one case - there are numerous cases that have been
overlooked.TG

<Raine> <Dave_UFO> Welcome Mr Good. How long on average does it take
you to compile a new book and get it to press?

<Tim_Good> It depends. ABOVE TOP SECRET took about 10 years, the
sequel which replaced it, BEYOND TOP SECRET, 2 years, the others
several years. TG

<Raine> <Carnado> What's your opinion on Derell Sims and his implants?

<Tim_Good> We need more peer-reviewed work by qualified medical
experts.TG

<Raine> <Clive_P> Hello Tim it's a pleasure to speak with you; I
enjoyed Alien Liasion in '91 which introduced me to the UFO subject.
Please can you tell us have you spoken with Bob Lazar recently, and
do you now totally discount his "ufo work" as Stanton F. did?

<Tim_Good> I have not spoken to Bob Lazar for many years. He has lied
about his credentials, that is for sure, and he has a very dubious
background. But I do not discount the possibility that he may have
been exposed to some of the alleged reverse-engineering at Papoose
Lake.TG

<Raine> <rickymd> What are your current views about the Aurora and
Bob Lazars story?

<CR0W> Please /msg Raine with your questions for Mr. Timothy Good.
#ufo2 is open for unmoderated chat.

<Tim_Good> I assume you mean Lazar's description of what he believed
was the Aurora at Dreamland?TG

<Raine> <Carnado> Mr. Good, you and your work inspired many peolpe,
me included, to join the intersting field of UFOs, what do you think
future generations will think of your work and our interest. Will we
be called freaks, or pioneers?

<Tim_Good> Pioneers, hopefully.TG

<Raine> <grumps> "Tim: What is your current view on abductions? ET,
military, or 'other'?"

<Tim_Good> That's complicated. I believe many abduction stories
originate in the minds of the abductees, but some people HAVE been
abducted by actual ETs, in my view. There is a possibility that
certain elements of the US military may be involved in some
abductions to a certain extent - just as I believe they may be
involved to a degree in the animal mutilations. I have spent a lot
of time researching the latter in Puerto Rico, and I have spoken to
one witness who...

<Tim_Good> ...saw a cow being picked up by a beam from a craft.after
which he was approached by US federal agents (or similar) who were
monitoring the operation. They asked him to stay put for 15 mins.
Later he saw the mutilated cow beside the road, apparently having been
dumped from the air. All this in ALIEN BASE.TG

<Raine> <rickymd> yes I was refering to Lazar's descriptions of the
Aurora.

<Tim_Good> Don't know.TG

<Raine> <forgiette> mr. good....have you mapped out any particular
bodies of water on earth that are a possible ufo underwater base...

<Raine> <forgiette> if you have, could you let us know which spots...

<CR0W> Please /msg Raine with your questions for Mr. Timothy Good.
#ufo2 is open for unmoderated chat.

<Tim_Good> Not personally, but in ALIEN BASE I list several areas
around the planet, including undersea locations, where it is alleged
there are such bases.TG

<Raine> <vita2> do you have any knowlege of where they came from
(galaxy?)

<Tim_Good> If we are to believe what they tell abductees and
contactees, they come from various other solar systems, mostly in our
galaxy, and they have established bases in our solar system,
including Earth.TG

<Raine> <Carnado> What do you think of crop-circles?

<Tim_Good> Not much.TG

<Raine> <Dave_UFO> It seems everyone these days has an Internet
account and not just ufologists. Not being on the Internet has
obviously not hindered you in any way. Do you see the Internet as a
good thing or bad thing for ufology?

<Tim_Good> Both.

<Tim_Good> Both.TG

<Raine> <Alan_Bean> I would to know what Tim thinks of Ancient alien
ruins on the Moon and Mars and/or what goes on at Pine Gap Australia :)

<Tim_Good> I've written a lot about Pine Gap in ALIEN BASE - I believe
there could well be an ET base there. As to ancient ruins on the Moon
and Mars, this is not my area of expertise, but I believe we will
eventually find traces of former colonies on both the Moon and Mars -
this according to info. given to some of the more reliable contactees.
TG

<Raine> <Spanky> Can I ask does he believe the MOD is competant enough
to be involved in a cover up?

<Tim_Good> It depends which branch. Certainly things can be covered
up.TG

<Raine> <ben> what's the most convincing evidence you have come
across which supports the ET theory?

<Tim_Good> The many people I have spoken to from all walks of life
(e.g. Air Marshal Sir Peter Horsley, former equerry to HM The Queen
and Prince Philip for 7 years as well as being deputy chief of
Strike Command) who claim to have had lengthy meetings with ETs.Plus
my own experiences.TG

<Raine> <forgiette> mr good.... in your research have you ever heard
of person mentioning that they saw a large grey's face, (only the
face) come out of thin air and appear right up in front of a person's
face for a few moments...this happened to me several months ago, and
i was wondering what you think it could have been, if you have heard
of this sort of thing...

<Tim_Good> I've heard of this sort of thing.TG

<Raine> <Dave_UFO> Most people probably don't know that you are an
accomplished violinist for the London Symphony Orchestra. This has no
doubt taken you around the world. How have your musical colleague's
reacted to your 'other' job & has either job ever got in the way of
the other.

<Tim_Good> I was in the LSO for 14 years, as well as other symphony
orchestras, and certainly this was a bonus for my UFO research when
we toured the planet. But I have been involved in session work (pops,
film scores, commercials) since 1978, though increasingly less. Most
colleagues think I'm fairly sane. The two jobs have indeed conflicted
on many occasions!TG

<Raine> <Clive_P> Mr Good, I'm half-way through your excellent book
Alien Base; I was wondering if you have any Booksignings lined up in
the London area over the coming weeks? Thanks for the info!

<Tim_Good> Unfortunately no, these finished last week, but signed
copies are available in a nu,mber of London stores, inc. Harrods,
Selfridges, and some branches of Ottakars, Waterstones, etc. in
central London.TG

<Raine> <^Shadow^> what do you think is going on? mind control by the
govt.?, the urantia book idea? whats your take on it all?

<Tim_Good> Don't know much about Urantia, and Govnt. mind control I
doubt.TG

<Raine> <I-Knight> Tim, there seems to have been a big increase in
the number of daylight sightings of UFO's in recent years (e.g. wave
of sightings over Mexico City). Do you think that the human race is
being gradually conditioned to an acceptance of the idea that alien
life-forms exist and do you think that these sightings are possibly a
prelude to more open contact in the future?

<Tim_Good> Possibly, though I would question the intelligence of any
alien race seeking OPEN contact on this planet. They don't need
that - they can get what or who they want. As to Mexico, there may
well be something going on there connected with ET concerns about
earthquakes, but I find most of the video footage unconvincing.TG

<Raine> <Dave_UFO> In your investigations for new material for new
books, do you find that now you are well known you still have to do a
lot of leg work or do more and more people now come to you with
information.

<Tim_Good> People do approach me, but most of my time is spent on
leg work, mostly in other countries. It may interest some of you that
I spend many thousands of pounds on such research - I've already spent
25K on research for my next book.TG

<Raine> <Clive_P> Mr Good, does it surprise you, (or what exactly ARE
your thoughts) that there are a great number of people (especially
journalists) who will always dismiss the UFO sunject as "ballyhoo",
when researches like yourself have proven Aliens exist, beyond
reasonable doubt for many years now?

<Tim_Good> Journalists - and especially editors - don't like to look
silly. Most of them are ignorant about the facts, anyway. But it can
be frustrating. They'll only believe it when ET lands on the White
House lawn or in Hyde Park.TG

<Raine> <Carnado> Mr. Good is the conspiracy to keep ufos secret
worldwide controlled by US, or are the other countries just cheating
on us?

<Tim_Good> I would say that the US is in the forefront of controlling
and manipulating the information, though some other countries do the
same. Yet other countries havn't much of a clue as to what's going on.TG

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