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From: Gary Alevy <galevy@pipeline.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 23:41:27 -0500
Fwd Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 08:24:40 -0500
Subject: Re: 'Apocalypse Pretty Soon'


>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: 'Apocalypse Pretty Soon'
>Date: Tue, 09 Mar 99 12:38:51 PST

>>Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 00:41:14 -0500
>>From: Gary Alevy <galevy@pipeline.com>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: 'Apocalypse Pretty Soon'

>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>>>Subject: Re: 'Apocalypse Pretty Soon'
>>>Date: Sat, 06 Mar 99 12:50:40 PST

>>>>Date: Sat, 06 Mar 1999 00:03:53 -0500
>>>>From: Gary Alevy <galevy@pipeline.com>
>>>>To: UFO UpDate <updates@globalserve.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: 'Apocalypse Pretty Soon'

>><snip>

>>It is obvious that my messages on J. Allen Hynek have hit home
>>and hit hard as both you and Mr. Sandow have chosen not to
>>respond to my final post in the series, Re: 25 Rules of
>>Disinformation.

As usual, the always amusing Mr. Clark gets right to the point
by missing it entirely.  First, he deliberately misattributes
the list of "25 Rules of Disinformation" to me.  You know, Mr.
Clark, when you are a guest on someone else's list you should
refrain from short-changing the host!  It was, after all, our
moderator EBK who posted the militia group's list!

Here is the header of Errol's posting from the UFOMind archive:

>From: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 14:29:11 -0500
>Fwd Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 14:29:11 -0500
>Subject: 25 Rules of Disinformation

<snip>

>ebk

<snip>

>Courtesy of American Patriot Friends Network and Walt

<snip>

After Errol was kind enough to post the above list I simply
picked up on it as a foil for some timely commentary.

>Gary Alevy dreams on, and his dreams, as always, are doozies.

>Let's get right to the point:

>Do you, Mr. Alevy, believe Greg Sandow and me to be agents of an
>intelligence agency?  Since "disinformation" -- the list you
>provided, by the way, apparently came from a militia group; I
>guess we know which side you're on -- is a term specifically
>associated with intelligence and counterintelligence operations,
>I shall assume the answer is yes unless I hear otherwise.

>So let's be even more specific:

>(1) Specifically which agency or agencies are Greg and I
>associated with?

>(2) What evidence, aside from our refusal to accept your
>pronouncements on paranoid faith, do you have for such an
>association?

<snip>

Let us begin with the idea that Mr. Clark is acting as an agent
for one or another of our alphabet intelligence agencies, as his
mentor Allen Hynek undoubtedly was at one time.  Believe it or
not, the question has become, for me, moot.  That is, the sad
performance of Mr. Clark in his exchanges with me have left me
convinced that only the most incompetent of agencies could even
think of employing him!  Hey, folks, I have a high enough
opinion of the folks over at Langley and Fort Meade NOT to wish
Jerry Clark on them!  So that isssue is closed, at least for me.

The same applies to Mr. Sandow, for whom Mr. Clark now appears
to be spokesman.

That is, my final message in the "Disinformation" exchange
destroyed the credibility of Mr. Sandow, who obviously was
talking straight through his hat vis-a-vis Dr. Hynek and his
"Special Report" on his fellow astronomers. Neither Messrs.
Clark nor Sandow replied to this message because none could
possibly be made, other than abject surrender and apology.
Thus, silence reigned.

For those unaware of my "amusing effort", as Mr. Clark has
labeled it check the UFOMind UFO UpDates archive for the post
which includes the Hynek Klassic "Special Report".

     The link to this document is:

     http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1999/feb/m03-002.shtml

     Re: 25 Rules of Disinformation
     Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:54:21 -0500

When I first encountered this List a couple of years ago I was
pleased to find on it the leading lights of modern ufology.
Little did I know then how disappointed I would one day become.
That is, the quality of the "would be agents" and some of the
"leading intellects" on this list have been shown to be second
rate at best.

I would hope that the qualifications for employment, by whatever
agencies may be plying the UFO ocean, are high enough to
preclude the use of such as Mr. Clark, who, has shown himself
incapable of accurately attributing even postings on this list.

And as for Mr. Sandow and his one liner response to the above
referenced post, "Dream on, Gary. Maybe you're just not worth
responding to".

Well, having Mr. Clark speak for Greg as his spokesman says it
all.

Ah, for the good old days when men were men and intelligence
agents, were intelligent!

Gary Alevy

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