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From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 15:33:07 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 11:23:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Kenneth Arnold's Saucer-like Descriptions
>From: Tim Matthews <matthews@zetnet.co.uk>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Kenneth Arnold's Saucer-like Descriptions
>Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 16:51:14 -0000
>>From: David Rudiak <DRudiak@aol.com>
>>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 21:14:22 EST
>>To: updates@globalserve.net
>>Subject: Kenneth Arnold's Saucer-like Descriptions
>>>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 23:50:09 -0500
>>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>>>Subject: Re: {100} Part 2 - United Kingdom UFO Network
>>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
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>>Please tell us where the "Horten flying wing" is in all this?
>Possibly of great significance because these aircraft were being
>tested in the USA at the time and certainly in the North West.
>Speaking of the North West that's where Paul Trent saw his disc.
>Despite the fact that Royce Myers states that Trent believed
>he'd seen a MMUFO you still cannot accept this possibility
>despite the FACT that these designs were on the drawing board in
>the 1930s -although at that time they were seriously
>underpowered.
>It has been established through my research that the US Navy
>was conducting expts on this type of aircraft in 1947/8 and this
>is admitted in a memo latter written by Col RD Wentworth
>(Acting Chief of Intelligence) and working on Project Sign.>
>Yes they did have enough money to do all this, as Barrett
>Tillman has made clear in several books on Navy a/c.>
>AIR 100-203-79 also states that the XF5U1 had been "operational
>in recent years" and Thomas C Smith who worked for Chance-Vought
>with a TS clearance designed parts of a jet-powered disc from
>1946 onwards.
"Operational"? Yeah, if worked.... barely!
And how many were there? Nine? Or _one_!
>In relation to the jet-powered disc an article in a 1948 edition
>of Aeroplane magazine by AS Weyl stated categorically that gas
>turbines had been fitted to the XF5U1 (a simple thing to have
>done, by removing some of the metalite paneling) and that the
>new a/c had the potential to hover and travel up to 600mph.>
>Of course we never hear about this in Ufology.....
No, but we do hear about 1,700 mph. Perhaps if an XF5U1 at 600
mph launched another XF5U1 at 600 mph (relative) and that
launched yet anothter at 500 mph the third XFU1 would reach the
speed reported by Arnold for 'nine disc-shaped' (or however you
want to describe them) objects.
I don't but the secret US project theory (nor the Russian
version).
But I _have_ to admit that when General Vandenburg "shot down"
the ET Estimate in late Sept. or early Oct 1948, it may have
been because he was covering up the 'most awesome weapon
developed after the war' - the Flying Disc, which was capable of
flying circles around any other aircraft and which we very
prudently kept 'Super Top Secret' to the point they have _never_
been used. (keeping them in reserve for the battle at
Armageddon, no doubt)
>These revelations do not answer all the sightings - but it's
>interesting to note how they are totally ignored by ET
>proponents. Even Wendy Connors admits in a recent IUR article
>that there was a large hangar at Wright-Patt closed off to even
>fairly high-ranking personnel including those tasked with
>so-called 'flying saucer ' investigations!
>Wonder why?
>Wouldn't have anything to do with those 'saucer' models they had
>in 1947 would it??
Alfred Loedding made the models! He was apparently a prime
instigator of Project Sign. Incidently, there are lots of off
limits areas to people who have no need to know in order to do
their jobs......
And while we're quoting, let's not forget J. Edgar Hoover's
request for a statement from the Air Force that there was no
secret project with the result that the Air FOrce checked its
own research and development directorate (General LeMay) and
found none. Of course, they could have lied to Hoover!
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