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From: Allison Reed <allison_rd@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:57:39 PDT
Fwd Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:14:35 -0400
Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report?


>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report?
>Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:54:08 PDT

>>From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com>
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report?
>>Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:51:31 +0100

>>I agree that the explanation need not be - as I suspect it is -
>>that the form that an entity takes during an account is a
>>product of the mental images in a persons consciousness. But I
>>think that is a reasonable hypothesis. Not that this eliminates
>>the prospect of some actual intelligence being in contact.

>The problem with subjectivist explanations, as surely you know,
>is that they don't account for the most interesting aspects of
>the abduction phenomenon, not the least of them multiple
>witnesses. Nobody on this list apparently wants to listen to a
>bright, articulate abductee like John Velez, who has repeatedly
>explained why he finally had no choice but to accept the
>objective nature of his and his family's experiences. Velez is
>hardly alone, either in coming to that inevitable conclusion or
>in being ignored (or, for that matter, in being subjected to
>condescending remarks by those who's rather listen to their pet
>theories than to an experient's testimony).


Dear Ms. Randles, Mr. Clark:

I am fairly new to this list and this is my first post. I have
been lingering in the shadows of these many conversations,
listening to researchers and skeptics alike opine about me and
people like me - abductees. I have found this thread between
the two of you to be very interesting.

I cannot say that I am familiar with the experiences of many
other abductees. I do not have a pool of testimonies from which
to evaluate and form an opinion. I have only the experiences of
myself and my family to draw upon. I have been investigating my
involvement in this phenomenon for the past six years. I have
undergone thirty-five hypnotic regressions, and countless days
and nights of contemplation in an attempt to make some sense of
what has been happening to me and my children.

I would like to comment, Ms. Randles, on your view that "the
form that an entity takes during an account is a product of the
mental images in a persons consciousness." Seven years ago my
son, who at the time was six years old, came running into my
bedroom on an early Saturday morning. He was a bundle of
anxiety, his little hands shaking and his brow sweating as he
attempted to tell me what had him so frightened. He spoke of
two "weird things" that had come into his bedroom. They were
gray in color, had very large heads, skinny bodies, and great
big, black eyes. There was a tall one and a smaller one. The
tall one seemed like a "doctor" while the smaller one seemed
kind of "not as smart." The child told me of how these beings
looked deep into his eyes and, upon doing so, the child could no
longer move.

My son spoke more of the event. I then asked him to draw a
picture of the figures he had seen. The child produced a pencil
sketch of what is seen today as your "typical" greys, one tall
one and one short one.

This child knew nothing of Budd Hopkins, abductions, or little
gray men. He had not read "Intruders". At this time there was no
"Sightings" TV show. There was no possible means that could even
allude to media contamination. I can say quite confidently that
the child had no alien "mental images" prior to this event in
his "consciousness". In all aspects, the child was unblemished.
He did not perceive something to be something because of
something. What he saw was real.

Mr. Clark, I would like to thank you for your obvious empathy
for people who have such experiences as do I and my family.
Your consideration of the experient is as a breath of fresh air.

Best regards,

Allison Reed