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From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com>
Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 19:51:46 +0100
Fwd Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 16:27:56 -0400
Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report?


>From: Allison Reed <allison_rd@hotmail.com>
>To: updates@globalserve.net
>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report?
>Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 21:57:39 PDT

>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
>>Subject: Re: First 'Grey' Report?
>>Date: Sat, 08 May 99 10:54:08 PDT



>I am fairly new to this list and this is my first post. I have
>been lingering in the shadows of these many conversations,
>listening to researchers and skeptics alike opine about me and
>people like me - abductees. I have found this thread between
>the two of you to be very interesting.

>I cannot say that I am familiar with the experiences of many
>other abductees. I do not have a pool of testimonies from which
>to evaluate and form an opinion. I have only the experiences of
>myself and my family to draw upon. I have been investigating my
>involvement in this phenomenon for the past six years. I have
>undergone thirty-five hypnotic regressions, and countless days
>and nights of contemplation in an attempt to make some sense of
>what has been happening to me and my children.

>I would like to comment, Ms. Randles, on your view that "the
>form that an entity takes during an account is a product of the
>mental images in a persons consciousness." Seven years ago my
>son, who at the time was six years old, came running into my
>bedroom on an early Saturday morning. He was a bundle of
>anxiety, his little hands shaking and his brow sweating as he
>attempted to tell me what had him so frightened. He spoke of
>two "weird things" that had come into his bedroom. They were
>gray in color, had very large heads, skinny bodies, and great
>big, black eyes. There was a tall one and a smaller one. The
>tall one seemed like a "doctor" while the smaller one seemed
>kind of "not as smart." The child told me of how these beings
>looked deep into his eyes and, upon doing so, the child could no
>longer move.

>My son spoke more of the event. I then asked him to draw a
>picture of the figures he had seen. The child produced a pencil
>sketch of what is seen today as your "typical" greys, one tall
>one and one short one.

>This child knew nothing of Budd Hopkins, abductions, or little
>gray men. He had not read "Intruders". At this time there was no
>"Sightings" TV show. There was no possible means that could even
>allude to media contamination. I can say quite confidently that
>the child had no alien "mental images" prior to this event in
>his "consciousness". In all aspects, the child was unblemished.
>He did not perceive something to be something because of
>something. What he saw was real.

>Mr. Clark, I would like to thank you for your obvious empathy
>for people who have such experiences as do I and my family.
>Your consideration of the experient is as a breath of fresh air.

>Best regards,

>Allison Reed

I take what Allison says very seriously. But please do not
equate support for the literal reality of greys as empathy and
doubts in this regard for lack of sympathy with witnesses.

I have met dozens of witnesses such as yourself, worked with
quite a few for months or years and have not one shred of doubt
that you are totally sincere and genuinely experiencing a real
phenomenon.

But a real phenomenon and a literal alien visitation are two
very different things. When I say that the form that the
experience takes is determined within the consciousness of the
witness I do not mean that it is made up or imaginary and based
upon watching too much TV. That simplistic answer is offered by
sceptics but will convince nobody who has ever met an abductee.
This process, whatever it is, as suggested by the complex
evidence is a confusing one that may well link in to the very
nature of reality itself and how consciousness occurs. That to
me is a very exciting possibility.

I have my reservations about actual aliens in spaceships because
the evidence is contradictory. There are excellent pieces of
data such as that provided by Allison. But you have to balance
against it the clear signs of cultural tracking and the role
played by consciousness. I dont have easy answers to this
confusion. But it is there nonetheless. any honest appraisal of
the sum of the data has to see the balance and the deep
questions posed by it.

I know this seems like I am denying your experience or not
empathising with your plight - and that I am sceptical of the
reality of what has happened to you. In fact I am none of these
things. I suspect that another intelligence is in contact with
us. I am really only challenging the commonly held view that
this is a straightforward greys from planet alpha flying here in
ships and physically kidnapping witnesses to perform dastardly
experiments. Maybe that is what is going on, but I am not
convinced - thankfully. If I were - frankly - I would be very
worried indeed for the fate of the planet. Let us hope I am
right and the truth will be more enlightening than frightening,
but I know I might not be.

Jenny Randles