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From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 10:10:27 -0500 Fwd Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 15:21:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Book Burnings & Conspiracies >From: Greg Sandow <gsandow@prodigy.net> >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 18:07:02 -0400 >>Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 09:13:18 -0500 >>From: Alfred Lehmberg <Lehmberg@snowhill.com> >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net> >>Subject: Re: * Jeff Rense Weekly E-News * >>Your argument, sir, seems to suggest that there is _no_ >>conspiracy. I happen to think that there is abundant evidence >>for an institutional _pervasiveness _ of conspiracy -- a >>metaphoric _iceberg_ of convenient conspiracy with only the the >>tips of a watergate, Iran-contra, or savings and loan debacle >>sticking sullenly above the oily surface like dirty sea ice. I >>resent your indicating I _may_ be a bigot because I am >>assaulted, and _insulted_ by the obvious. Any rational run >>through the history of western civilization points up abundant >>conspiracy, evidence of conspiracy, and suggestions of >>conspiracy. Scratch YOU, sir, to see how _bloodless_ you've >>become? >Wait....if "any rational run through the history of western >civilization points up abundant conspiracy," etc., then anyone >who doesn't believe in conspiracy isn't rational? Couched in the manner of your presentation, sir, the rational person would be reluctant to continue down the slippery slope that you depict. But, it _would_ appear to seem that it _may_ be as you suggest (up your debating sleeve), that knee jerk dismissal of conspiracy _is_ irrational. > >Sigh. The rhetoric heats up. Well -- _I_ won't be the one to let it boil over. <g>. >And it's interesting that Mr. L. thinks government scandals are >signs of conspiracy. Not _just_ government, Mr. S. -- big business (including their doctors, lawyers, and policemen), the spawner of the government you allude to. >It's not exactly news that (a) governments >have perfectly normal reasons for hiding what they do, ranging >from genuine issues of security to disreputable attempts to >cover their asses, and A priveledge very likely abused horrifically, and without oversite of _any_ kind. >(b) that governments sometimes resort to >illegal means to keep themselves in power, or to enrich their >supporters. Why has that _ever_ been instituted and once instituted, tolerated -- Why didn't Ike just _admit_ that the russians were scaring the hell out of us, and deserved every bit of over flight they got. Was our _own_ behavior something less than pristine? Why tolerate a violent right wing government over a more peaceful and only slightly more _left_ one? >All this is obvious enough without conspiracies. It's much worse >in the third world. This is supposed to be America! Is it something _other_ than what it depicts itself to be? >And, interestingly, it used to be much worse >in the United States, generations ago. Few know that, though. Evidence of some kind of educational conspiracy? Perhaps. >Does anyone remember >political bosses in big American cities? How about the one in Suffolk county New York right now! >"Smoke-filled rooms" in >which political parties here decided on presidential candidates? You suggest that that has _disappeared_? No, just changed its form. The common woman _still_ has very little input into the process than to vote for who the the business community provides for her to vote for. > >"Robber barons" around the turn of the (last) century who >controlled congressmen, senators, and entire state legislatures? I think we can safely admit that _they_ have not disappeared, either. There are whole communities in the world suffering miserably at the hands of a business ethic gone mad outside the borders of the United States, and only slightly less mad inside it's borders. >My impression, after watching American politics for 40-odd years >and after much reading, is that politics and government are in >many ways -- in everything, I'd guess, that's not concerned with >foreign policy and the military -- more open than they used to >be. But certainly not as it _could_ be, assuming an honesty, a forthcoming attitude, or a respect now in such short supply. Hell -- we should be living in the asteroid belt by now -- a thriving collection of autonomous individuals combining into teams of much more capability and efficacy! >Does that mean the conspiracy has less power? No -- just _refined_ lo these many years! <g>. Even Lincoln said that as a result of the civil war our corporations were enthoned, and total power would fall to fewer and fewer hands until the republic was destroyed. Lehmberg@snowhill.com -- Ponder the Wit & Wisdom of Ching Chow! View "Unstill Life" -- Animation . . . and more. Consider Matter, Mind & Movement. See the current HTML "Apology to MW" with illustration. Take a ride in the Teleporter. Explore "Alfred Lehmberg's Alien View" at his Fortunecity URL. http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/arecibo/46/ <Updated 11 May> John Ford Restoration Fund -- Send your checks and money orders to _me_, Alfred Lehmberg (cut out the lawyers, they got their's) at: 304 Melbourne Drive, Enterprise AL, 36330. Strict records kept. $350.00 pledged -- $150.00 collected! "I cleave the heavens, and soar to the infinite. What others see from afar, I leave far behind me." - Giordano Bruno, burned at the fundamentalist's stake.
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