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From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:37:18 -0500
Fwd Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:31:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986)


>Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:51:43 -0700
>From: Don Ecker <decker@ufomag.com>
>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986)

>>Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:56:23 -0500
>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
>>From: Dennis Stacy <dstacy@texas.net>
>>Subject: Re: Dr. J. Allen Hynek (1910-1986)

>>Yeah, as if Hynek hadn't already written a couple of books on
>>his own by then, and established CUFOS in the bargain. Hynek
>>still had a scientific reputation to protect, Imbrogno and Pratt
>>didn't. No real wonder he didn't want to sign on to everything
>>they did. In fact, Hynek was essentially a silent partner in the
>>book, basically lending his good name to boost sales of a book
>>that wouldn't have achieved same without it. And for this he
>>gets hammered? Why do you think Imbrogno and Pratt wanted his
>>name on the cover? And did it ever occur to you that some of the
>>more "bizarre information" the two collected simply may not have
>>passed Hynek's scientific muster test?

>Well Dennis Stacy comes rampaging out of the woodwork once again.

Rampaging out of the woodwork? Don, old boy, where have you
been? I post here more than you do. If anyone has sawdust on
their shoulders here it's you, not me.

>Remember when I appeared on Larry King Live and made the
>statement about General Douglas MacArthur and his warning the
>class at West Point that at some time they might have to face an
>interplanetary enemy?

>You and Pat Buchannan both had a "kitty." Of course you didn't
>hear me when I said I had the speech by MacArthur with me,
>however LKL ran out of time. I couldn't show it, and of course
>the next 4 times I appeared on LKL it never came up. Ooo, Dennis
>Stacy couldn't wait to skewer me in the pages of the Muffin
>Journal. Course you had to eat your words next issue. You were
>wrong....again.

Sure do, and, no, I didn't have to eat my words. I could have
pretended as if nothing had happened. Instead, I did the
honorable thing... I admitted my mistake and put it in print.
Something wrong with that? How many mistakes have you admitted
in print lately -- or don't you make them?

>Seems to me that about 5 years ago you and I were arguing over a
>book review I did on Randel and Schmitts Roswell book. I liked
>the book, you didn't. You had lots of nasty things to say.
>Tough. I still corresponded with you until you started avoiding
>things you didn't want to HAVE to answer.

>>the heavy-handed American SS troops?
>>And Frankies Rowe and Kaufmann? Well, we all have our
>>weaknesses.

>The above is from Stacy's recent post, but he got all hot and
>heavy breathing over an anology I made to what were US Counter
>Intelligence Corp troops in the aftermath of the Roswell event.

>I said in my review that they "operated in the best tradition of
>the Nazi SS". I refered to numerous accounts were it was reported
>that American citizens had their lives threatened by US
>military if they talked about what they saw or heard. Stacy had
>a cow at my reference.

No, I didn't have a lot of nasty things to say. I wrote a letter
to UFO Magazine (which was published, thank you) basically
objecting to the characterization of US troops behaving at
Roswell in the best Nazi SS tradition, an analogy I thought over
the top then, to say the least, and still do. (The SS didn't
threaten, they executed.) If you want to continue to defend your
earlier assertion, based on the dubious testimony of Glenn
Dennis and others, then by all means please do so. I'm hardly
the only one to come out of the woodwork who has problems with
Dennis's fictitious nurse and his account of being threatened.
Perhaps you still believe him? Fine, it's a free country.

>Course Dennis himself never served in the American military,
>never wore a uniform himself. I do think he mentioned one time
>that his daddy was in..........WWII or somesuch.....

Yes, and so what? Does this make me unworthy to post to this
list regarding something you posted simply because you did?

>Now back to our correspondence. When Stacy went off on me
>because of my review, I asked him what his stance was (he was
>editor of the MUFON Journal then) on Walt Andrus's (then) very
>recent statement that the flavor of the month at the time of our
>correspondence, was the Michigan sightings.

>Walt went on national TV and stated that they were "_proof_" of
>alien or ET visitation! I asked Stacy 3 or more times where his
>vaunted outrage was, or did he perhaps agree with Walt.

>Well, the old buck-er-roo avoided answering me each time I
>asked, and to make sure that he was able to read my question I
>increased the size of my fonts....to larger and then really big!
>
>He refused to acknowledge my question. Guess he didn't want to
>piss the boss off. So I told him then that "if you want to debate
>then answer the question, if not then don't bother writing me."
>So, why bother writing me?

Not exactly my memory of things. Perhaps you didn't like my
answer? Or maybe you didn't use 72-pt type? Sometimes you have
to speak really loud to get my attention.

But since you seem to think that my personally having to answer
for every word that comes out of Walt's mouth is a matter of
some significance, maybe you would like to account for that
travesty of history (both of the Cold War and 20th century
technology) that is "The Day After Roswell"? Ghosted by none
other than your present publisher and executive editor. Pity is,
you probably believe the damn thing.

>As to Jim McDonald he was a great man, put his money where his
>mouth was with Menzel, Hynek, Klass and even Congress. And for
>Stacy to defame him.... well Hell, I would expect no less from
>the ol' buck-er-roo.

I didn't defame anyone. You painted the world in black and
white: Hynek as a Quisling and "company man," McDonald as
something akin to Joan of Arc. But the world ain't b&w, Don,
it's gray, all 256 scales. Like it or lump it.

Hynek eventually showed some signs of courage, and McDonald,
alas, didn't, when it mattered most. Doesn't mean he wasn't both
courageous and passionate about the UFO subject. But let's don't
make one into the devil and the other into god. If you've read
Vallee's diaries, then you know that McDonald had a sort of bull
in the china shop aspect to him.

>Dennis, my advice is to go down to ol' "Slim's Bar n Grill" ,
>order yurself a "Lone Star" and shove that in your mouth instead
>of your foot every time you come out here in the public.

>Don Ecker

Actually, I prefer Shiner Bock these days. But if you'd like a
case of Lone Star for your own personal use -- assuming, of
course, that you ever make a mistake about anything -- I'd be
happy to send you one. You never know when it might come in
handy. Or is it footy?

Dennis