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From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 11:03:52 -0400
Fwd Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 03:16:37 -0400
Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller



>From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com>
>Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 02:38:42 EDT
>S>ubject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller
>To: updates@globalserve.net


>>>Date: Sun, 23 May 1999 23:08:31 -0400
>>>From: Bruce Maccabee <brumac@compuserve.com>
>>>Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On Rockefeller

>>From: Pat McCartney <ElPatricio@aol.com> >Date: Sat, 22 May
>1999 13:48:44 EDT >Subject: Re: 'London Evening Standard' On
>Rockefeller >To: updates@globalserve.net>>

>>Has anyone pursued the possibility that crop circles are drawn
>>by charged-particle beams from satellites?

>>It would seem a useful exercise for those interested in seeing
>>how tightly focused a beam could be, or how well you could
>>control a beam from an altitude of a few hundred miles.>


>>>BIG problem... for anyone conjecturing about charged particle
>>>beams making Agriglyphs......

>>>There are no charged particle beams in space.... at least not
>on >>_our_ (made by humans) satellites.... and even if there
>were >>they wouldn't be able to penetrate the atmosphere with
>any power >>source that would be available in the near future
>(charged >>particle beams are "eaten up" by the atmosphere)

>Thanks, Bruce, for explaining the absorption of charged
>particles by our atmosphere. (Shades of aurora borealis!) I
>defer to your knowledge.>

>However, my question was re-posted to another forum, and I was
>sent by a non-subscriber an interesting article that was
>published nearly 10 years ago that suggests SDI UV lasers could
>account for the type of effects observed in crop circles. I will
>excerpt just enough of it here to perhaps pique your curiosity:>


>"December 16, 1990

>The concepts in  this document are based on known and current
>technologies and capabilities as extrapolated by Jerry Decker,
>Cheyenne Turner, Ron Barker, Chuck Henderson, and brought up in
>discussions with various other associates of KeelyNet and Vangard
>Sciences.>

><snip description of crop circles>

>"Since the inception of SDI (the Star Wars program), Man has had
>the capability of projecting  high-intensity laser   beams
>followed immediately by EXTREMELY high electrical charges aimed
>at targets on the planet.

TRUE but only for targets on earth's surface where the monster
sized high lower laser and associated particle beam accelerator
reside.  As I recall, the "distance record" for transmitting a
particle beam through the atmosphere is a few meters. GRANTED
the beam would go farther in th rarified atmosphere miles up....
but. to reach the ground still requires the beam to go many
kilometers through the dense atmosphere.   Also, this would
require BOTH a particle beam generator and a very high power
laser to be on a satellite togther. TRUE...this was THOUGHT
ABOUT during the SDI program But PAPER IS CHEAP...and the
designs were on paper!

>"SDI uses very high-intensity lasers (EXCIMER LASERS) to
>generate and project these beams of UltraViolet light. High-
i>ntensity UV  light cohered into laser beams IONIZES the air
t>hrough which the beam passes thus creating a conducting path.>
>"How Star Wars works

>The idea is :

>1)  to build up a very high electrical charge in the satellite,

I presume this refers to the particle accelerator

>2)  target a structure from space using a weak UV laser

Perhaps

>3)  increase the amplitude of the UV laser beam until a highly
>ionized path is created from the satellite to the target

Definitely.... VERY HIGH POWER NEEDED (Gigawatts? there are no
such lasers in space)

>4)  this ionized path acts as an electrical conductor much like
>a wire being thrown from the satellite to the target

Yes, sort of

>5)  the electrical energy is then transferred  to the laser
>beam path which passes the artificial "lightning" to the target

Yes

>6)  as  the  electrical  energy  passes into the target, the
>molecules are electrostatically repelled with explosive
>velocities causing the target to explode.>

Rather, the target is heated by the onrushing electrons and, if
crops, would likely be burned (imagine getting hit by
lightning..... which heats the fluid in trees so rapidly that
the steam pressure builds and causes a tree to explode.... and
perhaps catch on fire)

SNIP  a lot of "wishful thinking"
which reminds me, a LITTLE knowledge is a dangerous\
thing.

>"The intriguing thing about the crop circles is that to date,
>ALL sightings PRIOR to the SDI  project; NEVER involved
>complex geometries or patterns beyond a circle shape."

So what?

><snip a proposal to detect UV laser beams and a
> gratuitous swipe at UFO study>

>I don't wish to clutter up UFO UpDates with an extended
>discussion of crop circles, but I do find the SDI explanation
>very interesting compared to some of the New Age and
>extraterrestrial explanations.>

>Bruce, if you can knock this information down as easily as you
>did the idea of charged-particle beams, I will retire from this
>discussion and let others speculate about crop circles.

Retirement time,.   No big lasers in space.  No particle beams
in space.