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From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 99 11:06:04 PDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 00:46:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee and Gulf Breeze Photos


 >Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:02:37 -0400
 >From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net>
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee and Gulf Breeze Photos

 >>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >>From: Jerome Clark <jkclark@frontiernet.net>
 >>Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee and Gulf Breeze Photos
 >>Date: Sun, 03 Oct 99 18:15:28 PDT

 >>>Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 15:24:19 -0400
 >>>From: Kenny Young <ufo@fuse.net>
 >>>To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >>>Subject: Re: Bruce Maccabee and Gulf Breeze Photos


Patient and gentle listfolk:

 >>Do you know what the adjective "disingenuous" means?  If not,
 >>suffice it to say that you have just provided a living example.
 >>And if you aren't being disingenuous -- which I find hard to
 >>believe -- and genuinely did not know what the discussion is
 >>about, why did you join it at all?

 >You have been given the opportunity to support some of the wild
 >charges that you have made in the past few days concerning
 >'character assassination' attempts that you claimed to have
 >dealt with, and from your message to UFO UpDates (dated October
 >3, 1999), you have failed to clarify your comments or uphold
 >those wild allegations.

Mr. Young, disingenuously or otherwise, is unable to come to
grips with any significant issue.  Even after I have repeatedly
explained my objections to the Black/Young approach -- and
nobody else who's remarked on the exchange has expressed the
slightest difficulty in understanding what I've said -- our
correspondent, arms waving, face reddening, blunders on.

 >You sought to deflect my fair questions to you by stating a
 >'disingenuous' motive behind the challenge, and obfuscated the
 >issue by again reverting to vague and ambiguous charges said
 >perpetrated by Jerry Black, which you were felt were 'paranoid
 >and laughable visions.'

As they are.

 >You said, "If I were going to make unprovoked charges which cast
 >serious doubt on the integrity of a colleague, I would make
 >damned sure I had my facts right." (UFO Updates, October 3,
 >1999) Yet why, Jerome Clark, do you support the integrity of a
 >colleague whose facts you believe to be totally amiss?

Again, as recent communications from such ufological luminaries
as Jenny Randles and Mark Cashman have made clear, my view of
Bruce Maccabee, including his Gulf Breeze investigations and
analyses, is not that difficult to grasp.  It's held by others
of good reputation and demonstrated achievement as well.

Mr. Young puts words into my mouth when he claims I believe
Maccabee's "facts ... to be totally amiss."  I said no such
thing, nor do I believe any such thing. Bruce is no doubt right
about many things in his Gulf Breeze work.  It's just his
conclusion that I disagree with.

The only thing of interest in Mr. Young's words above is his use
of the word "integrity" which, sad to say, proves my case: that
in the Black/Young approach it is not the opinion but the person
that's at issue.  Most of us, even Gulf Breeze doubters, would
never think -- it wouldn't even occur to us -- that it's Bruce's
_honesty_ that's in question.

 >Whether or not you would like to admit your inclusion in an "Old
 >Boy's Club", from this we can see that you are a partaker by
 >your actions, willful or otherwise.

Oh, grow up.

This exchange is growingly pointless, and I apologize to
listfolk for having to restate, yet again, the obvious.

Jerry Clark