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From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:18:39 EDT
Fwd Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 02:28:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Abducted?


 >Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:53:42 +0100
 >To: UFO UpDates - Toronto <updates@globalserve.net>
 >From: Sean Jones <tedric@tedric.demon.co.uk>
 >Subject: Re: Abducted?

 >>From: Jim Mortellaro <Jsmortell@aol.com>
 >>Date: Sun, 3 Oct 1999 19:16:55 EDT
 >>Subject: Re: Abducted?
 >>To: updates@globalserve.net

 >Hello young James

 >Please be reminded of this point.

 >>>He said in the end, I can easily believe that it is a case of
 >>>all of these things being true but I can't help but have this
 >>>niggling feeling.

 >>Hi all;

 >Err ditto <g>

 >>This is an issue which carries extreme importance to the
 >>potential abductee.  I refer to the question of whether or not
 >>the person has been abducted.  This must be an intellectual
 >>conclusion, not an emotional one.

 >Would you care to elaborate please.

I was not sure that I had been adbducted by aliens,  I am still
not sure.  I am, however, a lot closer to being sure.  I arrived
at this point (which normally resides on top of my head) by
studying the available data, going to AIC and other sources, by
reading, by being psychoanalysed (without telling the shrinks
about my experiences) to determine if I was nuttier than Aunt
Mary's fruit cake.  I spent time with other perceived abductees.
The goal was to find out what if any commonality I shared with
the others whose direct memory was better than mine, memory not
jogged by hypnosis or Gripple.

On being shrunk by shrinks, I found that I was more intelligent
than I realized and had no mental problems, no illness which
could be discerned, except some phobias (due, presumably, to my
not picking my nose when other kids were).  I was tested
thoroughly (umm, lemme think) about three or four times at my
own expense from age 20 something through about nine years ago.

So while this is a highly emotional issue, affecting one smack
in one's affectivity, it was difficult for me to seperate my
intellect from my emotions.  I tried to do that as much as
possible in coming to a conclusion regarding this issue and feel
that I accomplished this feat sufficiently enough to make the
best decision regarding my experiences.  Conclusion? I am Gort
from Mongo.   Just kidding.

 >>It is crucial for this person to accept only his own opinion,
 >>and that opinion must be based on his own research. That
 >>research must be based on the best information available from
 >>multiple, dependable sources.  He should spend his time doing
 >>everything he can to study information already written and
 >>prepared by the best authorities, pro and con.  There are places
 >>on the Internet he can go in order to help him with this study.

 >I will point him to A.I.C. I have looked at this site created by
 >John and I think it is superb.

It is probably the best compendium of data one can sift through.
After searching high and low, speaking on line with people who
were famous, infamous and otherwise supposedly smarter and much
more experienced than I in these matters, I found AIC to be the
best source, for me, it was definitive.

 >>In the opinion of many, including myself, this person should
 >>avoid hypnosis until such time as he has reached an honest and
 >>firm conclusion regarding his experiences and is having
 >>difficulty living a normal healthy life.  Only then should he
 >>consider hypnosis, if at all.

 >I totally agree.

 >>The "Abduction Information Center" is a good place to start.
 >>Frankly, I have found that in my experience at least, _no one_
 >>person or entity can tell you whether or not you are an
 >>experiencer.  Only you can do that.

 >I tried to convey that to this person.

 >>From what I've read above, your friend has experienced some of
 >>what I and many others have experienced.  Means _nothing_!

 >I'm sorry what do you mean by this?

I mean that just because one shares some of the "features"
and/or other experiences of abductees, does not necessarily mean
he or she is one... that is a _conclusion_ to be drawn by the
individual.

 >>The only one who can make the decision is him, and only after
 >>knowing himself.  That's the tough part.  Further, he must be
 >>prepared to learn and accept that he may or may not have had
 >>these experiences and be satisfied with that conclusion to the
 >>extent that it does not cloud or distort his ability to think
 >>clearly and objectively on the subject.

 >>Some perceived abductees, on finding that it was merely a piece
 >>of undigested beef, go completely the other way in their belief
 >>system. If they thought they were abducted and find they were
 >>not, they then become lunatics when it comes to anyone who
 >>believes he has been abducted.  The opposite is true.

 >>It takes a strong person to understand the truth about himself,
 >>whatever that truth may be.  And stronger still to accept the
 >>truth of others in similar situations.  Capeesh?

 >So if I read this correctly, if this person works out for
 >himself, using his brain not his emotions that he is the subject
 >of abduction, then he must have the strength of character to
 >deal with it?

Yup! In my view at least. But the emotions... whew!  Those are
tough birds to mess with. You know the old saw, "When reason
comes into conflict with emotion, emotion (or Gripple) wins."

 >>There are others monitoring this list, members, who can better
 >>advise than I.  I suggest that one or two of you answer this
 >>post.  For I may only speak for myself.  And everyone knows, I'm
 >>nuttier than aunt Mary's fruitcake, eh?

 >Why Mary's I thought Farmhouse fruitcake was best?

 >>Jim Mortellaro

 >Thank you for your thoughts on this Jim. I would like to point
 >out.

 >>>He said in the end, I can easily believe that it is a case of
 >>>all of these things being true but I can't help but have this
 >>>niggling feeling.

 >A point I pointed out at the start of this post.

 >At the moment he is unsure of his experiences. I have offered
 >him _some_ _possible_ answers but at the end of the day
 >_I_don't_know_ if he is the victim of an abduction experience.
 >He thinks that he probably is not, _but_, and its a big but, he
 >still has this niggling feeling. -- In an infinite universe,
 >infinitely anything is possible.

Whenever I niggle, I Gripple.  And speaking of Gripple, Aunt
Mary's fruitcake is sprinkled with Gripple Con Gas.  It keeps
for decades. In fact, I have one I just et which is twenty-five
years old.  (Hic!) Excuse me.

Jim