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From: Jim Deardorff <deardorj@proaxis.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:24:51 -0700 (PDT)
Fwd Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 03:05:34 -0400
Subject: Re: The Challenge


 >Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 15:25:47 -0400
 >To: updates@globalserve.net
 >From: John Velez <jvif@spacelab.net>
 >Subject: The Challenge

 >Hello All,

 >Some of you that have been following UpDates (for longer than
 >many of us care to remember) are aware that I have been
 >struggling to get an investigation by independent experts of any
 >'physical material' (i.e.; evidence of foreign objects in the
 >bodies of the abductees, the 'writing' samples that some
 >investigators have gathered, unusual or unexplained marks and
 >scars etc.) I have even repeatedly offered myself up to these
 >"experts" (to no avail) as well.

 >To date, nothing has happened. We would all be a lot closer to
 >finding the answers to some important questions if the physical
 >material is finally analysed. A huge part of the difficulty in
 >accomplishing it has to do with funding and gathering the
 >material from those that have so painstakingly collected it over
 >the years.

 >The other 'obstacle' to such a study (and the more formidable of
 >the two) had to do with getting authors, investigators, and
 >researchers to contribute any relevant material they may be in
 >possession of. That part is like pulling teeth and requires the
 >experience and know how of a 'diplomat extraodinaire'! Those of
 >you that 'know' me will testify to the fact that I may be called
 >a great many things but "diplomat" is not among them!  :)

 >If this is 'done right' I'm sure that Richard Hall/FUFOR would
 >help to find the necessary funding for it. I'm just as sure that
 >he would use any of the human resources at his disposal to
 >insure that the study is conducted responsibly and by competent
 >and independent experts. (Experts with no personal 'stake' in
 >the outcome.) ...

Hi John,

I've delayed a response to this in hopes that someone on the
list whose better at keeping records and files than I am would
do it. We've all read or heard, from time to time, of various
UFO-related artifacts having been sent out for analysis. It
would be good if someone could compile as comprehensive as
possible a list of it all, since you, John, are not the first!

I can only go from memory myself, but do recall such cases as 1)
a metal fragment that Ray Stanford had analyzed (but apparently
only for general composition, not isotopic analysis?)

2) the fragment given to that young Asst.(?) Prof. at UC San
Diego (?) who found some unearthly isotopic ratios, though his
identification of one of them was in error, as he later
admitted, which had made it seem like an impossibility

3) fragments from the same source that were sent out to other
labs whose names were kept anonymous

4) the fragments sent to Art Bell known as Art's parts, which he
then sent out to various labs for analysis

5) the fragments that Linda Howe received that she sent out to
various labs

6) the result of Dave Jacob's analysis of some stain on a
bedsheet (if I recall correctly) found by an abductee after
being returned

7) the implants recovered by Derrel Simms that he sent out for
analysis

8) maybe Roger Leir has some, too, that are under analysis?

9) the metal samples from the Meier case analyzed by Marcel
Vogel, who found them extremely unusual, and whose remarks and
microscopic analysis are on video tape

10) certain metals and substances found at the center of certain
fresh crop circles

11) the sample of alien(?) hair reported from an abductee case
recently written up in the MUFON journal.

12) many others I can't recall??

It really would be a contribution to get as full a compilation
of such alien retrievals as possible. This is notwithstanding
the biggest problem of often never hearing back from the
laboratories of what their findings were. I think it would be
worthwhile not to restrict the compilation just to removed
implants.

    Jim Deardorff