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From: Jenny Randles <nufon@currantbun.com>
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 00:38:24 +0100
Fwd Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:08:59 -0400
Subject: UpDate: Re: A Question Of Definition? - Randles


 >Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 15:29:21 -0400 (EDT)
 >From: Karoline Louise <KarolineLouise@aol.com>
 >Subject: A Question Of Definition?
 >To: updates@sympatico.ca

 >What follows is a hypothetical question

 >Supposing a researcher was presented with a truly remarkable
 >case  of missing time, with physical scars which had been
 >checked out by a doctor and pronounced to be inexplicable.

 >Imagine there was a child in the case who had the regulation
 >nosebleeds, manifested dreams of 'owls' and/or other such
 >typical 'alien' manifestations, but NO other 'UFO' component.

 >Imagine instead the child told of dreams of going to sleep in
 >his bed and 'waking' in (say) a previous century, where he
 >talked to a man now dead, and was later able to provide a
 >description of the place he had been in a place he had never
 >seen in 'reality', but which could be proved to have been a real
 >place from the past.

 >How would this case be treated?

 >Is this 'alien abduction'? or 'past life recall'?

 >Or is it evidence that these man-made definitions are more
 >delusory than real, and more misleading than enlightening?

 >Are there really no such cases which challenge the current
 >compartmentalisation?

 >Or are they tending to be ignored by investigators simply
 >because they cannot be fitted into any of the orthodox
 >'disciplines'?


Hi,

As Karoline, I believe knows, she is right about this.

We tend to seek what we want to find in this subject and by
defining the boundaries of the phenomenon in advance we decide
what to describe as the 'alien abduction' and limit what it is
that we consequently uncover.

There are numerous cases which are not traditional abduction
cases but are nonetheless clearly relevant. Here are just a few
I have come upon in the UK:

1: Two witnesses walk up a hill, enter an altered state of
consciousness, see strange human figures in futuristic clothing
and hear them discussing the lives of the children as if to
these strangers they have already occurred. There is a bright
sky, but nothing obviously a UFO. The children find themselves
disorientated, walk down the hill and discover they have been
missing for 24 hours. They also have strange scars or marks on
identical parts of their bodies.

2:  A woman claims she was taken for a ride in a dark car by her
husband and lost full consciousness but recalls being medically
examined inside an unfamiliar room where she was also able to
witness various images that related to scenes from her past and
future. Her husband and another man spoke to each other saying
that they knew this story - if ever reported - would be
interpreted as 'flying saucers' .

3:  A woman was going to the shops when she saw a strange
helicopter appear out of mist dead ahead. It was clearly an
earthly craft with normal humans inside, who were talking about
an 'experiment'. She watches them as they watch her, but her
recall becomes hazy and confused and she forgets the encounter
for weeks. Memory returns gradually when she starts to notice
physical changes to the environment in the location where the
helicopter had been. A tree that was not there before, but is
now, and so on.

These are just some of the cases in my files that have features
of an abduction but are not abductions in any traditional sense.
There are many more.

In fact, even in one of the most classic UK abductions (that in
Aveley, Essex October l974) its essence - pre hypnotic recall -
is very odd.

Put simply a family were driving home, encountered a bank of
green mist, drove into it, felt a bump as if they were sucked up
and cast down onto the road again and now found it was hours
into the future. Their entire lifestyle altered and they were
almost like different people (they did not even like the same
foods they once did). There was no conscious recall of an alien
abduction. It only appeared, via dreams, then through hypnosis,
but crystallised out of very strange images in which the car was
floated upwards, turned transparent and the family drifted 'out
of the body' and saw themselves both in the car and out of it
inside a strange room.

It is easy to see how only minor changes of emphasis, perhaps
subtle guiding according to the perspective of the investigator
or beliefs adopted by the witnesses, could push this case in at
least two ways.

Towards the alien abduction scenario eventually created for this
case.

Or towards the idea that the car ran off the road in the mist,
the family had a near death experience and returned from it
later confused and disorientated with only vague conscious
recall.

Indeed I have quite a few cases where the NDE / Abduction
overlap is even more marked than here. But I don't think the
border confusion between case types is confined to just these
two phenomena.

Its an area I've been exploring a lot lately whilst researching
a book called 'Time Storms' - where I have realised (after many
years of putting these pieces together) that the abduction is
but a part of a far wider whole and we need to embrace a much
broader range of cases to figure out what is going on here.

IMO Karoline is spot on . There is a decidedly extraordinary
phenomenon occurring and its parameters are much wider than the
few cases that Ufologists adopt as their own because they fit
our interpretation of the evidence.

Remember - as I have found in virtually all UK abductions - the
abduction prone personality (the type of individual to whom
these things most often occur) almost invariably has a track
record of strange phenomena throughout their lives. It includes
psychic toys (balls of light played with as children), ESP,
precognition, apparitions, out of body states and so forth. Very
often the abduction emerges from within this pattern as a
memorable but far from unique event in an otherwise long record
of anomalous phenomena.

I think it may well be a serious mistake not to treat this data
as a continuum but to pick and choose the bits we think we want
to concentrate upon because they fit in with our own
interpretation of what's going on here.

Best wishes,

Jenny Randles