Subject: WINGFIELD Waffles NO More...2/3

From: rschatte@aol.com (RSchatte)

Date: 23 Nov 1995 09:18:20 -0500

Message-ID: <491vrc$luh@newsbf02.news.aol.com>



Continued from last message...



We could continue with all sorts of other discrepancies and

objections but most of these have been covered already in other

Internet postings.  A more telling instance occurred during a

conversation which I had with Santilli on May 17th 1995, which

is reported here verbatim:-



GW: One very, very final point:  There was a group of circle

hoaxers, Robert Irving & Co., who were at the meeting [i.e. the

May 5th screening in the Museum of London] ... um..  are they

friends of yours ?  



RS: I've never heard of them.  Who are they?



GW: Never heard of Robert Irving, John Lundberg and, and er,

Rod Dickinson ?  



RS: Never heard of them, never heard of them  ... got no idea

who they are.



GW: They are hoaxers; they're prominent hoaxers who hoax UFOs,

hoax crop circles and all that sort of ...



RS: They were at our screening?



GW: They were at your screening, yes ...



RS: I've got no idea who they are.  Once again, no relationship

with them.  They've not even contacted me.



GW: Oh, ... OK.



RS: OK?



I now have evidence that Ray Santilli knew both Lundberg and

Dickinson and had done for some time.  Note the use of the word

"relationship" in his denial:  not a word that I ever used to

him but one that is extremely relevant, especially in view of

certain revelations which have occurred since then.



The Black Project

-----------------



In July 1995 an anonymous fax was received by someone who had

taken great interest in the Santilli footage. It was sent by

a person who worked for a major UK film distributor and who

expressed concern that their revelations in the fax could cost

them their job.  In fact the name of the sender is known to the

recipient of the fax but cannot, for obvious reasons, be

disclosed.



The fax said that the "Roswell" film footage was a hoax

conceived by Ray Santilli, Gary Shoefield and two others (one

of whom was said to be an Englishman called "Jack Barnett" or

"Jack Barrett" -- names that have also been attributed to the

alleged cameraman) associated with that particular film company

in July 1993.  The inspiration for this hoax was, of course,

the forthcoming release of the "Roswell" movie, starring Kyle

MacLachlan and Martin Sheen, which was to be released in the

US in 1994 and in Britain in 1995.      



The plan was known as the "Black Project" and it was apparently

considered to be a "guaranteed money making project".  Success

would depend on producing a realistic alien corpse which would

be the subject of an autopsy.  For this purpose, I understand,

according to the fax, two accomplished London model makers --

special effects artists-- were engaged.  Although not named in

the fax, there can be little doubt that the two referred to are

John Lundberg and Rod Dickinson, both of whom live in London

and are experienced in making foam latex dummies and puppets

for TV and theatre, as well as making medical prosthetics.



The fax itself could, of course, be a hoax but it did not seem

that way.  A copy of it was passed to the Serious Fraud Office

in Scotland Yard in case fraud was involved.  However fraud is

only committed where deception is directly used to relieve

people of their money and it seems that the police found no

grounds at the time for any specific charges.  Nevertheless,

the aforementioned film company sent a stiff solicitor's letter

to the original recipient of the fax threatening legal action

if any accusation was made against them or their name was made

public in this connection.



Special effects

---------------    



To the surprise of some, Irving, Lundberg and Dickinson were

present at the May 5th screening in the Museum of London and

sat together taking a great interest in the proceedings.  They

were not seen to approach Santilli though almost everyone else

present tried hard to speak with him in order to find out more

about the footage.  This trio were far more interested in

observing other peoples' reactions and, indeed, recorded some

impressions on tape including an interview with